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Ms. Ann Armstrong-Dailey begins her interview by describing some early pivotal moments in her life that led her to a career advocating for palliative care. She first describes the memory of her and her mother fleeing kamikaze pilots and German submarines in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii and how that was a formative moment in understanding the processing power and tenacity of children. She then describes the circumstances of her brother’s death and the lack of support she received as a transformational moment that empowered her to “audaciously” seek out the global leaders of the world and ask them ‘why isn’t there support for dying children?’ Ms. Armstrong-Dailey then recalls two stories of children that were dying in a hospital and were blocked from receiving hospice care but were desperate to connect and support their parents and families as they died. She describes the momentous effect those deaths had on her and the urgency she felt to find a way to support better family communication and policy protections in pediatric healthcare.

Ms. Armstrong-Dailey tells how she built a supportive network of international collaborators who wanted to do better for dying children. She also describes instances where she rallied with this network to push ideas, legislation, literature, and healthcare models. Ms. Armstrong-Dailey describes some of her work exploring and dismantling some of the resistance she felt by providers and families with education and quantitative research. She concludes the interview by describing her dream of working herself out of business by integrating palliative care seamlessly into standard medical operating procedures. She also advocates for the continuation of investigations on how healthcare can perform better in communication with patients, families, and each other.

Dr. Brian Carter begins the interview describing his early career journey exploring the intersectionality of bioethics and neonatology. Dr. Carter viewed some of the early practices of intensivists to “resuscitate people until they die” as exceptionally “egregious,” which prompted him to feel ‘ an obligation. . . to make inroads [to neonatal and pediatric palliative care] via the route of ethics: making better choices, trying to discern [the] right action.’

Dr. Carter then describes the evolution of early practices in neonatology that were visibly distressing to babies, and how the work of him and his peers around children experiencing pain began to change best practices in the field. This scholarly work in the fields of neonatal and pediatric pain helped to create systematic changes to pediatrics, including requiring pain and symptom management for children to be a part of hospital accreditation.

Dr. Carter concludes the interview by describing two of his dreams for the field of pediatric palliative care that would be beneficial to all children, families, and caregivers. The first dream is the ability for families to access hospital-level respite care for chronically and seriously ill children who require advanced medical technologies. The second dream is for increased access to pediatric hospices where children and families could go and be supported at the time of the child’s death.

Dr. Dangel begins the interview describing his experiences as a pediatric anesthesiologist witnessing children dying while receiving unnecessary aggressive treatment during the end-of-life. He also describes several pivotal experiences learning about and seeing other countries develop pediatric hospices. When he brought back his experiences to his home institution, he was not well received and consequently left to seek an environment to nurture his vision for pediatric palliative and hospice care.

Dr. Dangel comments that this was not his first time bringing new ideas into Polish medicine since he “introduced the modern techniques of regional anesthesia and analgesia in children,” in the 1980s. He then mentions that he was more than comfortable making the “conscious choice” to have his own “splendid isolation from the inhumane hospital medicine.”

He then describes the barriers he faced and overcame, such as lack of funding, training gaps for clinicians, no transportation for his staff, failing personal health, a research block from the ethnical committees in Poland, and “single case of malpractice at the medical court for using the ketogenic diet, which I designed for my hospice patient”.

Dr. Dangel goes on to describe his work in leading Polish medicine to establishing pediatric palliative and hospice care through his work in policy, peer-reviewed studies, publications, and books, public outreach, and coaching of other professionals. He also describes some of his biggest challenges today being lack of cooperation from the Polish government, lack of official accreditation, and government blocks on some palliative practices.

He then also describes the strengths of the current Polish practices of pediatric palliative and hospice to be the establishment of the Warsaw Hospice for Children Foundation who provide supportive services and organizational outreach as well as Polish societal values.

Finally, Dr. Dangel describes his vision for the future of pediatric and hospice care to be recognized as a branch of medicine in Poland, increase clinician knowledge and competency of palliative practices, increase the awareness and palliative training of other disciplines, such as gynecologists and obstetricians, establish a national research center, establish a journal of pediatric and perinatal palliative care, and to increase pediatric palliative and hospice consults with experts and ethics committees.

Sister Frances Dominica begins the interview by describing one particular experience early on in her pediatric nursing career that influenced her to found Helen House, the first pediatric respite and hospice house. Helen House implemented a comfortable, homey, and respite hospice model for chronically sick children. Sister Dominica also describes some of her guiding principles of having the children and the families take an active role in shaping their experiences at the Helen House, and eventually at the Douglas House. She then describes some of the early practices of pain management as well as the influence that others in palliative and hospice movements had on her development of pediatric hospice. Sister Dominica also recalled some of the generosity and support for Helen House that the surrounding community displayed. Sister Dominica then goes on to describe some of her international experiences. She concludes with her wish for the pediatric hospice field to reexamine and reinforce the role of family in the care of sick children as well as her recommendation of watching the BBC television series’ that depicted some of the stories of families and patients in the Helen House.

Dr. Gerri Frager begins by introducing the catalyst of her transition from nine years of nursing to her original career goal of medicine after some “really unfortunate episodes of care with patients of nursing.” She then describes the experiences and meetings she had with other emerging pioneers in the fields of pediatric pain and pediatric palliative. Dr. Frager discusses her work at the intersections of pediatric pain management and pediatric palliative care and the evolution of best practices in the field. Dr. Frager explains some of the successes and challenges in pediatric palliative and pain care as well as the simultaneous pioneering journey happening in adult palliative care. She concludes with her goals for the field to address communication barriers and establish great access to pediatric palliative and pain care, despite geographical, financial, and social barriers.

Dr. Ann Goldman begins the interview by identifying some early field experiences as an oncologist researcher and observing service gaps in clinical patient care that didn’t acknowledge the psychosocial needs of families with chronically ill children. As Dr. Goldman was attempting to find guidance to develop her idea of providing more holistic care, she was met with some unease by peers and a discouraging message from Dame Cicely Saunders to not pursue this notion.

Undaunted and driven by her innate knowledge that this idea was right, Dr. Goldman then describes her experience of being demoted in hospital hierarchy to “invent a job,” where she could establish a pain and symptom management service for pediatric patients with palliative care elements. She describes that she developed her team model from influences in pediatric pain and the adult palliative care field.

Dr. Goldman was met with several challenges to her pain and symptom service. For example, there were no training resources for her multidisciplinary team. She also noted the importance of the relationships she developed that allowed her to expand beyond the oncology department.

Dr. Goldman describes one of her proudest achievements being her role in legislative and public advocacy to help bring about the recognition of pediatric palliative care as a specialty and to develop training materials for providers globally through her charity work Together for Short Lives.

Dr. Goldman concludes the interview with her vision of pediatric palliative care expanding outside of resource rich countries and helping resource poor countries achieve a greater degree of accessibility and to reduce the gap between children who need palliative care and children who don’t receive it.

Dr. Ross Hays begins the interview by describing how he continued to pursue training after his pediatrics residency, transitioning to study birth defects, training in rehabilitation medicine, and finally training in bioethics. Dr. Hays was then recruited to become the principal investigator for a demonstration project by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation titled Promoting Excellence in End-of-Life which finally allowed him to tie all his training experiences together.

Dr. Hays then describes his observations that pain in pediatrics was recognized, but there was a lack of urgency in clinical need to treat pain -- maybe in part due to that lack of sophistication in treatment paths for pain in the early 1980s. He also recalls that psychological and social support of pediatric patients and families were not typically seen as a necessary duty to fulfill by the medical community and largely became the responsibility of the family.

The differences between primary and specialty palliative care are also defined by Dr. Hays as he describes how other hospital services met his palliative team with some suspicion and anxiety of his palliative service overstepping and usurping turf. He also explains that there will always be a need for palliative care due to the progression of medicine and more complex therapies available. When someone elects to complete these more complex therapies, they create the need for palliative care along their health care journey.

Dr. Hays describes the most looming challenge for palliative services to be funding, especially outside of wealthy institutions that can support a palliative service that generally is not reimbursed well. Dr. Hays also describes that the best thing about the palliative field now is the new generation of well-trained leaders that are stepping up to take the lead.

The interview concludes with Dr. Hays’ dream of having palliative services fully integrated and automatically consulted on every case of a leukemia or complex congenital heart disease or when a child goes on ECMO. He would like to see that palliative care professionals become viewed as integral parts of the medical team.

Ms. Lord begins the interview by recalling her early experience with her daughter and nephew who were both diagnosed with Tay-Sachs disease, but experienced very different types of end-of-life care. Ms. Lord, her husband, and her daughter had a pediatrician that was willing to work and assemble a care team for the family and ultimately provide a rewarding end-of-life experience. Ms. Lord’s nephew’s pediatrician was not similarly equipped and his family experienced stresses, particularly at his end of life, because of that. After reflecting on her daughter’s journey, Ms. Lord wanted the level of care she experienced to be accessible for anyone with Tach-Sachs, thus began her career in advocacy.

Ms. Lord then describes how she and her husband and brother- and-sister-in-law were able to bring all of their familial support together to develop the non-profit, The Lord Foundation, to fund research of Tay-Sachs and the advancement of pediatric palliative care.

Ms. Lord’s background in television and video production then aided her in completing two multimedia projects, Cameron’s Arc, a project with the American Academy of Pediatrics about delivering palliative care from a community-based pediatrician, and Parenting a Child with a Life-threatening Illness, a resource for families affected by Tay-Sachs, GM1, Sandhoff and Canavan disease. Ms. Lord was motivated by positive feedback from clinicians using these movies to teach the new generation of clinicians. She soon left her job to focus full time on developing the Courageous Parents Network (CPN). Ms. Lord says the scope of CPN was initially just for parents, to promote palliative care and help parents hear from other parents through videos, but it has since grown into a large and reputable educational platform for parents and clinicians alike.

Ms. Lord then goes on to describe that one of the primary goals of Courageous Parents Network is to orient and empower families of children with life-threatening diseases as advocates and decision-makers for their child, and to promote palliative care as critical to helping make that possible.

Ms. Lord concludes the interview by describing a series of goals she has; for other parents and families, to know that they always have options and they are not alone; for clinicians, to foster the skillset of palliative care to be a holistic provider.

Dr. Sourkes attributes her career beginnings in pediatric palliative care to a “confluence” of personal and professional experiences. She describes knowing a few “pioneering” health professionals in the 1970s and 1980s. In different fields and different countries, these “first-generation” professionals were all working on their own to commonly define pediatric palliative care and its place in healthcare.

Dr. Sourkes recounts the early days when, in many hospitals, a handful of social workers took on all the psychosocial care of hundreds of children and families in pediatric hematology/oncology. Dr. Sourkes briefly discusses working with Balfour Mount, MD when a group at the Montreal Children’s Hospital as developing an interdisciplinary pediatric palliative care team. . She discusses psychology/ psychiatry’s early role in understanding and interpreting childhood expression of suffering. At the time, despite the distress of families and healthcare professionals witnessing children experiencing pain, it was thought of as a “necessary evil” related to the use of intensive treatments. She then explores an apparent early divide in psychology between research and clinical understanding of dying and suffering in children.

Dr. Sourkes reflects on her hospital experience in the 1980s and 90’s at the Montreal Children’s Hospital working with children and young adults with hemophilia who, as a result of treatment with blood products, were infected with HIV. Another group were child-refugees from Rwanda and Haiti, who had escaped unspeakable horrors, only to find out that they had been infected with the virus. She relates her experiences working with these especially vulnerable populations as having profound impact on her understanding of the complexities and influence of palliative care on a person’s healthcare. Dr. Sourkes describes her challenges to change language describing palliative care and its benefits in a patient’s life to achieve the optimal health outcomes. Out of these clinical challenges, Dr. Sourkes was inspired to write her landmark books The Deepening Shade and Armfuls of Time.

Dr. Sourkes concludes with her two visions to further the field of pediatric palliative care. The first vision is to understand childhood suffering by exploring children’s expression and voice in their own health care. The second is to create and expand a narrative of pediatric palliative care that is educational and less overwhelming for institutions that interact with children, including schools, community centers, religious institutions, as well as the public.

Dr. Betty Davies begins with several stories about her first dying patients as a young professional and the gaps in both her education and the humanity about how death was handled in the hospital setting. Dr. Davies felt that cultivating dialogue about death, dying, and bereavement was a very important “human activity,” that was being neglected. Early into her career, Dr. Davies connected with other likeminded professionals who supported her while she endeavored to give trainings and workshops. She then recalls her work in developing Canuck Place as well as her contributions to research, programs, and the international knowledge base for pediatric palliative care. Dr. Davies explores some of the challenges she faced in her career as well as her perspective on how the field has grown. She concludes with her dream for seamless and continuous care to be available to children in need of pediatric palliative services.

Dr. Faulkner begins the interview by describing her early career experiences and how those shaped her journey into pediatric palliative care. She attributes a lot the success of her early career to her “nurturing environment” of like-minded clinicians. She then describes some of her experiences being a part of an early practice to make death a more natural and less isolated experience for the patient and family.

Dr. Faulkner then how she helped to evolve end of life care to become more inclusive for families, while also supporting improved communications between providers and family decision makers. Dr. Faulkner became involved with Children’s Hospice International and worked to develop programming for home-based care and natural death without aggressive curative treatments at end of life.

As Dr. Faulkner became more involved with hospice programming, she helped to develop best practices at the intersection of pediatrics and end of life care, and she also helped to integrate family support and family care into the health care plans of pediatric providers. Dr. Faulkner met some barriers such as providers not prescribing meaningful doses of pain and symptom management medicines to pediatrics as well as general lack of training of hospice staff in how to care for dying children.

Dr. Faulkner concludes the interview by describing some of the successes she has seen over her career in the care of sick children and her vision for providers to work together to follow family care plans and provide sophisticated home care services if that is what the family wants.

Dr. Richard Hain begins his interview by describing how his lifelong intentions of practicing in pediatrics developed into an intersecting interest in palliative medicine after hearing a lecture given by St. Christopher’s hospice. Dr. Hain then describes how he designed his medical school path to intersect at the disciplines of pediatric oncology, complex needs, pharmacology, and adult palliative medicine so that he would have the proper certifications to allow him the freedom to develop pediatric palliative to his vision: a multidisciplinary streamlined service with no barriers to access for those that needed the service. He says that while going through all that training would be “overkill now . . . it was well worth doing.”

Dr. Hain then describes how he began to form a community of like-minded healthcare providers in Wales that were able to develop and publish evidence of best practices for chronically ill and underserved children. This work eventually supported the discipline of pediatric palliative care becoming recognized as a subspecialty by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.

Early in his career, Dr. Hain was met with several resistant ideologies such as general disgust at the thought of administering children’s comfort care instead of solely cure-oriented care. Dr. Hain also described some discourse between clinicians that did not subscribe to recognizing pediatric palliative care “as a subspecialty within pediatrics and not a subspecialty within adult palliative care,” and some feelings from clinicians that pediatric palliative would take away from their practice rather than add another tool to health care. Dr. Hain also reflects on the role of opioids in palliative care, access and barriers to receiving pediatric palliative care, adult hospice and adult palliative care, the challenges the discipline has to overcome and the successes of in pediatric palliative. Dr. Hain then explains his future vision for pediatric palliative care; streamlined access to care where the clinicians fulfill a healthcare companion role rather than a sterile clinical relationship while also maintaining that the clinicians are the professionals with a knowledge base that continues to evolve with the discipline. Dr. Hain would also like there to be a larger community nursing infrastructure as well as simplified treatment methods of providing complex care at-home.

Dr. Liben credits his initial venture into pediatric palliative care to his experiences of witnessing “unnecessary suffering” during his career in pediatric critical care. Dr. Liben states that he was attracted to how much “promise” that pediatric palliative care held in addressing more than just the medical needs of children and their families.

He then recalls experiences he had with international leaders in the emerging field of pediatric palliative care. Dr. Liben describes how the field has evolved to be more patient- and family-centric while spanning across the intersections of pain management, chronic care, and complex care. Dr. Liben also discusses how he managed his team and developed integration strategies to become an established service in the hospital space. He recounts some of the initial challenges of educating other clinicians on what pediatric palliative care could bring to a health care team. He also reviews how much adult palliative and adult hospice have influenced and nurtured the pediatric care fields.

Dr. Liben then discusses his work in medical mindfulness with an emphasis on human connections and how he has experienced the “ultimate win-win,” with both healthcare teams and patients being happy with the connections and relationships forged. Dr. Liben concludes with his vision for current pediatric palliative care specialists to “teach ourselves out of a job,” and how he strives to cultivate the next generation of physicians in all specialties to have a holistic patient-first approach that incorporates his field’s mindfulness approach to care for more than just the physical, but also the “logical, spiritual, [and] emotional.”

Dr. Balfour Mount begins the interview by describing a pivotal moment when he heard Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross lecture at McGill University’s Royal Victoria Hospital. Dr. Mount had not previously heard of Kübler-Ross’s work and was impressed to learn about the unmet needs of the dying. When Dr. Mount conducted a similar study at the RVH, he found the same deficiencies in care and carried out a two year pilot project aimed at addressing these needs through the creation of an in-patient ward, a consultation service, a home care program, an outpatient clinic, and a bereavement follow-up service.

Dr. Stacy Orloff begins the interview describing her experience after completing her MSW degree and one pivotal serendipitous event: she looked at the classified ads in the newspaper for the first time and found a job opening for a children’s program in her local hospice. After she took that position, she found that all her training in life led up to being a children’s advocate in the hospice setting. Dr. Orloff reflects on the beginning of the community-based hospice movement that now seems to provide fewer services than it was once able to due to the regulatory policies. She also describes some of the early challenges she faced with bridging the training gap to equip adult palliative and hospice clinicians with the necessary tools to care for children, even if they might only care for children a few times a year.

Dr. Orloff then recounts several stories of early palliative and hospice care practices that depict the early need for services designed and dedicated to children. Dr. Orloff also describes her experience finding and working with other interdisciplinary practitioners in creating global programming.

Dr. Orloff concludes with her goals of creating streamlined hospice and palliative services for families that also provide other practical services such as economic assistance and respite care. She envisions a time where all providers on the continuum of care can come to the table together to provide the best quality care for children without the barriers of practice “turfs.”

Dr. Walco discusses his career beginnings in pediatric pain medicine. He describes field observations of “barbaric” practices that were founded on the notion that children did not experience pain the same way adults do. Dr. Walco recounts some landmark events in the 1980s and 1990s that gained public notoriety and aided in developing the field of pediatric pain medicine, including the Jeffrey Lawson case-study of a premature baby who was administered thoracic surgery while awake and conscious. Dr. Walco then describes early experiences in a field with general disregard for the pain and suffering ofpediatric patients. The need for pediatric health care advocacy drove him to connect with other health care providers to investigate multi-disciplinary, multi-organizational level solutions to improving the quality of life for pediatric patients. Dr. Walco describes the barriers and successes he has experienced in pain medicine as the sub-specialty has evolved in the last thirty-five years. Dr. Walco also describes the vision he seeks to achieve within pediatric pain medicine, as well as the work he is doing to continue to advance the field in establishing the best evidence-based practices.

Dr. Kanwaljeet Anand begins the interview by describing his journey into pediatric pain and symptom management through his work examining metabolic and hormonal stress responses of infants undergoing surgery. From this work, he retraced history to understand where the notion of ‘babies don’t feel pain’ came from, and then eventually studied more closely the pain responses of infants.

Dr. Anand describes how he was surprised to find that babies mounted three times the metabolic stress response to surgery as compared to adults, and how his pediatric pain research initially received a lukewarm response from his peers. However, that lukewarm response turned into a massive media scandal as news outlets sensationalized Dr. Anand’s work as ‘disgraceful doctors performing surgery on babies without anesthesia.’ Eventually this media frenzy ended with public apologies printed in the same newspapers.

Since that media incident early in his career, Dr. Anand describes his journey as being “doubly blessed” by immense support from many colleagues and peers as he doubled down into some field-defining research on pain in neonates and infants, as well as clinical work for underserved populations in the “Deep South” of the United States.

Dr. Ferrell begins with her personal introduction to the need for palliative care and hospice from her experience working as a nurse in adult oncology. She describes how she stood alone in her quest to delivery better quality end of life care and decided to pursue her PhD in order to supply the data needed for this emerging field. After years of research and practice Dr. Ferrell joined forces with other hospice and palliative care leaders to expand the field or research and practice to pediatric medicine. She explains how she was drawn to pediatric palliative care and the need for specialization within the field of research. She explains the advancements that have taken part in pediatric palliative care over the past ten years as the specialization has gained greater attention. Dr. Ferrell then goes on to describe some of the changes and challenges presented to pediatric palliative care, citing health policy to be one of the greatest barriers. Finally, Dr. Ferrell describes her greatest successes and her aspiration for all clinicians receive training on palliative care before entering into practice.

Dr. Sarah Friebert begins the interview by describing how she constructed her own academicpath during her time as a hematology/oncology fellow and navigated barriers, including her mentor discouraging her and her work in palliative care during her time as a medical trainee.

Dr. Friebert then goes on to describe her early career experiences in hospice care and the positive results she had after reaching out to others in the palliative field for inspiration as she developed her own palliative care service model. She also expresses one of the early barriers to delivering palliative care services was a profession-wide focus on curative care, which was “potentially at the cost of quality of life and family wholeness.” Additionally, she noted the early disregard of palliative care as “glorified social work.” Other barriers she described were territoriality from other physicians, as well as the misconception that hospice and palliative care are the same entity.

Dr. Friebert concludes the interview by describing her vision for the future of pediatric palliative care, including the provision of choices of services for families, and a seamless continuum of care. She also hopes that pediatric palliative care will become more fully integrated into health care systems and that palliative services will be accessible both in cost and geographic reach.

Dr. Elliot Krane begins the interview by describing his early career and observations that pain in pediatrics was not meaningfully managed. After Dr. Krane took a position at the University of Washington, he developed his career path at the intersection of pediatrics and pain/anesthesiology. At his post in Seattle, Dr. Krane worked within a small, close knit pain department that were at the “world’s nexus of [Starbucks] coffee and pain management,” where he helped advance early pediatric pain practices.

Dr. Krane then describes in depth some of the barriers he encountered, such as the myth that children did not meaningfully experience pain, and the role of emerging technology, like the pulse oximeter and the use of portable ultrasound technology, that helped reinforce his practice as an anesthesiologist. Dr. Krane also described some barriers in other departments resisting the practices of pain management—sometimes if the pain services are used at all, they will be called too late to significantly help the patient.

In the future, Dr. Krane would like to see palliative and pain management services more integrated into the “hospital ecosystem,” where the palliative and pain teams are engaged sooner, when they can be most effective.